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September 9, 2007

Indian’s also have Taliban Culture.

Filed under: India, my views, Politics — Tags: , , , — nitin @ 10:12 pm

Some things are just very sad..and some deserve to be criticised as strongly as possible.Its Strange that people never see wats happening in their own backyard.I was just holding the sunday Times in my hand when i read this very brutual,harassing story about the fate of Young Couples in Haryana.I  have seen such stories on air- TV channels too.

Every news channles have their crime special episode during late night.Such programmes no matter how much they get criticized..shows the true crime color of our northern india(as most are north based channels).The crime usually emantes from domestic violence to homicides under the influence of Pride and Culture threat.

“Khap is an old system of social administration followed mainly in the north-western states of Haryana, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh. Not to be mistaken for elected gram panchayats, these are extra-constitutional bodies that began as clannish organisations in the tribal era but have literally transformed into kangaroo courts. In Haryana’s villages, they run a largely retrogressive and parallel law-enforcement agency. “

” In their outmoded system of beliefs, a woman falling in love with a man from the same gotra is the worst transgression and this crime translates into immediate punishment. The guilty can be ostracised, banished from the village, made to drink urine, paraded naked, beaten up or killed.”

I think such panchayats and the panchs are some kind of wise jokers/bloody murderers out there to dictate the fate of young india.This shows our double standards when we criticise the ills of Taliban like culture but fail to raise a voice against our own Sacred  Culture ..yes!!!..don’t say it’s not related to our culture..Everything which is practiced by large group of ppl following a particular religion,belonging to particular caste can be called its Culture..(its not a dicitionary meaning,its a definition as fars as i understand)

Why dont we get down on such panch’s and why dont we literate such families which in a matter of keeping false pride of “biradari” kills their own kins…its utterly backward and shameful..

When will our media,police and judiciary will come high on such incidents..Such deaths should not be dealt like individual homicide ,but these are organised crime , given the veil of culture and Pride…its almost like the fatwas (undigestable)which we severly condemn and sometimes make fun off and term it as silly.

India should be shameful that we still have such villages where in the name of culture and pride we kill.Caste Panchayats are still considered sacred and they have evil eyes for the modern Judiciary.Still in parts of UP,Bihar,Rajasthan and Haryana such caste Panchayats are playing a major role and consider this as apathy of the fellow villagers that even police and government officials keep mum and  doesn’t interfere with such panchayats verdict.

some horrific incidents to quote
“A 10-day-old baby, Ankush, was snatched from his parents Pawan and Kavita in Katlaheri village of Karnal district. Katlaheri panchayat head Rajesh Kumar justified the act, saying that the infant was separated from his parents as their marriage was illegal and against tradition”

“khap panchayat in Karora village in Kaithal district came down on Manoj and Babli. Just 23 and 19 years old, it was a tale of young love uniting in the face of opposition. But instead of living happily ever after, they ended up dead. Their decomposed bodies were fished out from a canal in Narnound town in Hisar district just two months after they tied the knot in Chandigarh. Both were kidnapped and brutally murdered, allegedly by family members, on the orders of their village khap panchayat which justified the killing on the ground that it was incest as the couple belonged to the same Banwala gotra.”

These are just some of the incidents which, due to their severity gets highlighted and come out in the media.There can be inummerable such caste panchayat’s incidents and verdicts which had come hard on ppl who are forced to follow it..And due to such injustice at the hands of their own ppl and their own caste , some gets far off..finally taking the law in to their own hands ..and then becoming “NAXALS“.I think NAXAL or NAXALITIES are people who had suffered in some way or the other by their own panchayats;injustice at the hands of upper caste or by the police and not to mention the Society or the Samaj.

One such Striking example is “Phoolan Devi“.

Any thing which is against humanity can never be part of any Civilian Culture to be pride of.  

Read the story as in the Times of India


  1. yikes, that sounds terrible.. & I guess its just becos of the news channels that we get to know abt such facts in remote India…. The media is useless overall but in some cases like this one they do get out the truth, which can make us Indians aware of whats going on and we need to help in some way.

    Comment by Assem — September 13, 2007 @ 5:16 am

  2. Aseem, thanks for putting u r feed.

    I thought is this topic so humiliating ? or shocking or so anti-indian that ppl are not commenting?

    or no one is reading my blog these days 🙂

    Comment by nitin — September 14, 2007 @ 6:03 am

  3. Actually only intelligent, caring, helpful & patriotic ppl can understand & comment on this blog, so thats Y im the only one !!!! 😉

    Comment by Assem — September 14, 2007 @ 6:50 am

  4. It is indeed shocking. This Gotra thing is important in villages only these days. In the bigger cities people circumvent this gotra binding. During the marriage rituals the girl’s gotra converts to the boy’s gotra. Nowadays they take into considereration mother’s original gotra in case the gotras are the same and thus the problem is solved.
    As you said- “In Haryana’s villages, they run a largely retrogressive and parallel law-enforcement agency. “ This is all about power nitin. The only way to stop all this foolishness is literacy.

    Comment by pr3rna — September 14, 2007 @ 9:34 am

  5. I agree that literacy is the solution to all this nonsense, but it also means brain-washing those people and its hell of a task I tell u, cos these people have been staying like this for ages it seems. The biggest deterrent in India’s progress is the rural area – We need to generate jobs in the rural areas so that ppl stop looking to the urban-land for work. For that we need manufacturing to be put in place in rural India, that in turn will make the youth stay in the villages, and develop. If the youth are educated and they get out of the villages for work, then the traditions may not change. Its all up to the big shots to have an insight to this and help build a better, cultured and progressed India. If I become a billionaire, Inshallah I will do that!

    Comment by Assem — September 14, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

  6. @prerna

    Keep this thing only to literacy is not the correct way..i think even educated ppl believe in such things and therefore u cant blind your eye to dowry practice, intercaste marriages even in NRI families..The problem is no one wants a rational approach to life…No reasoning..only belief blind faith.India never had social renaissance ..there were few who dared it like Ambedkar,Jyotiba phule ..raja ram mohan roy…no big leaders have came against traditional practices to save vote banks..

    well said,i can only say the problem is with the mindset of these villagers , why such things dont happen in Maharashtra villages? maybe they are more tolerant..

    Again ..watever u said also applies..

    Comment by nitin — September 18, 2007 @ 4:28 am

  7. Nitin I think you have misunderstood the Gotra thing. Gotra is not caste. People from the same Gotra are not allowed to marry each other because it is believed that they are from the same clan. It is believed that the forefathers of the people of the same gotra were the same and thus it would be like marrying in the same family. Same caste is imporatant but same gotra is prohibitid. I have heard of very few people who believe in this now but I guess it is prevalent in villages as it is apparent by the newsreport. It is a North Indian thing I don’t think people in other part of India believe in it.

    Comment by pr3rna — September 18, 2007 @ 10:24 am

  8. arre what u guys are talking abt North India & maharshtra, I can show u ppl in Bmbay n poona who are living in stupid rituals and traditions, which are so shocking that we wont believe in them. So India overall is afftected by this bug of illiteracy and we need more civic sense among ppl, my neighbours yet throw their trash out of their windows – I mean its not just abt gotra votra its the Indian prob and maybe after 2/3 generations these traditions and practices should fade out slowly

    Comment by assemkhan — September 19, 2007 @ 5:12 am

  9. @prerna

    Thanks for explaning GOTRA thing here,but i am not concerned with the reason to kill(i.e same gotra)…but the ACT..why they kill? why there is such intolerancy? why are the couples treated like that? why no one comes against this age old practice..?


    You are right..such practices are coomon in cities too..but illiteracy is not the only root i have earlier mentioned that even Educated families oppose intercaste marriages and even dowry..
    People should become more wise in understanding the true spirit of life instead of doing all these stuffs and attaching religion and ritual to it. Abandon them if they go against humanity..

    Comment by nitin — September 19, 2007 @ 6:24 am

  10. I dont wanna argue much about this coz my comment…
    1) Wont be making much difference to the society
    2) Won’t reach those parts in India where it should.

    India needs:

    1.) Strict Laws to enforce discipline.
    2.) Strict punishment for those who disobeys the law.

    and a separate subject called “Humanity”, which makes people to think about above two points and come up with more such points 😉

    Baaki kya bolu …
    ekdum thanda leneka…aur India is the best khullam khulla bolneka… 😉

    Comment by Anoop — September 19, 2007 @ 6:18 pm

  11. @anoop

    //I dont wanna argue much about this coz my comment…
    //1) Wont be making much difference to the society
    //2) Won’t reach those parts in India where it should

    This post will certainly not reach the villages..but its for the awarness about the reality of India..for ppl like you /me who doesn’t knw abt it…

    India is the best for them who has always listen this tune from their Childhood…maybe like you..those who blind themselves of so many shortcomings we have..those who never know much about the real india in rurals…. 😉

    So for me India is great in its own ways but not in totality…If we have such thinking that india is great ,we won’t think of improving…

    Comment by nitin — September 21, 2007 @ 7:04 am

  12. @ nitin

    Instead of commenting on my first 3 lines, you should have commented on the solution I proposed …

    Here its goes again :
    India needs:

    1.) Strict Laws to enforce discipline.
    2.) Strict punishment for those who disobeys the law.

    and a separate subject called “Humanity”, which makes people to think about above two points and come up with more such points 😉

    I am just speaking the harsh truth that though India try to bend towards the modern society, the rural parts still stink to the core with injustice. And this doesn’t mean that Indians are unaware of this fact. Such stories/articles come to birth almost everyday and every Indian is very well aware of this. It’s just that, we Indians are just used to getting ‘Aware’ of all this. Thts it!! And the post awareness Action still remains missing.

    Would you say that such evil act persists in the society just because people are unaware of it??? I don’t agree at all.

    My first 3 lines is nothing but the bitter pinch. Only thing we can do is get aware …and increase our general knowledge…

    and my saying that “India is the best”, doesn’t hide the evils of the society, who will always be there and we will always take out the frustration in such blogs…Hope it helps.

    ciao !

    Comment by Anoop — September 22, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

  13. Hey Nitin, If Indian’s also have Taliban Culture then Im wondering where the horses and mountains are? WHERE THE HECK IS RAMBO????
    We need more RPG’s and kalashnikovs (AK-47 if u dont know)
    We would also require atleast one Osama….
    Pls do the nedful by EOD
    By Order.

    Comment by assemkhan — September 24, 2007 @ 6:47 am

  14. @nitin

    I am commenting to this post without reading it entirely .. but I just wanted to say that .. law making and law enforcing bodies of India are sick … So such clans come up as “thekedars of morality” ..

    Comment by nishu — September 24, 2007 @ 9:27 am

  15. Thanks Nishu for visiting my blog.

    Yes you are right , we (India) have “thekedars of morality” every where. And next time find time to read it completely.. 😉

    Comment by nitin — September 27, 2007 @ 7:38 am

  16. Maine itne saare comments daala tab mujhko kabhi thanks bola nahi

    Comment by assemkhan — September 27, 2007 @ 8:31 am

  17. @nitin

    read it dude 🙂


    I thanked u in my comments 😀

    Comment by nishu — September 27, 2007 @ 8:44 am

  18. @Nishu
    Im telling Nitin.

    Comment by assemkhan — September 27, 2007 @ 9:38 am

  19. @aseem

    Tuje thanks bolne ki kya zaroorat hain as we knew eachother well, and i didnt knew nishu,so i greeted him/her. 🙂

    Bytheway why am i explaining you all these… ?? tu kabhi sudherega?

    Comment by nitin — September 27, 2007 @ 11:19 am

  20. Well, nitin
    What you have said is true but the assertion that ‘panch’ or ‘panchayat’ which are extra-constitutional bodies are always unhealthy is something I entirely disagree with.
    I belong to a community that dictates judgments, in cases of divorce or family feuds, through such ‘panch’ only and believe me they are FAR better, faster and justifiable than any of our courts would ever make.
    So, lets not oppose those bodies that yield justice to the illiterate and ignorant Indian!
    ‘Panch’ works but it works only in a community that is not blindfolded and orthodox. It is justice at grass roots, democracy at the lowest level.

    Comment by minaldesai — September 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm

  21. @minal

    Am not making a black or white statments about “panch”.They may be doing fairly in some parts of caste or villages..but there will be always biased decisions when a mixture of castes are involved in some villages..often the lower caste had suffered . While ending of my post i have mentioned that how some injustice at the hands of their own fellow villagers can make a citizen to take on violence…

    If there is any system, then its made to bring goodwill to the society, but the performance should also be considered…And one can never say that justice has been done..

    Also.. you haven’t said a single word against this “panch”about the punishments they give to the culprits as mentioned in my post…dont they seem barbaric ?also wat abt the fate of young love of so many youths in rural india if such actions are being taken against them?

    Comment by nitin — September 29, 2007 @ 1:24 pm

  22. Thanks Nitin for bringing this to my notice… I can hardly believe that this is actually happening in India… so much for the wide gap between the “modern” and the “yet-backward” India!!!

    To say the least, I am truly disgusted!

    Thanks for creating awareness Nitin…you are doing your bit for the society by doin this!

    Comment by Nova — October 23, 2007 @ 3:10 am

  23. Thanks Nova..

    Even i feel disgusted when people say India is so and many still dont knw wats happeing in the inner parts of india..and lack of awarness is the biggest trouble..

    One of my friend, she is reading autobiograpy of “Kiran Bedi”.I swear she has some serious matter to share about rural girls..she was shocked to learn such incidents happening rural india..

    Let us known india very deeply …not by just looking at the surface..Lot of cleaning is needed…

    Comment by nitin — October 23, 2007 @ 8:51 am

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